From: stefanski@fnal.gov
Date: Thu May 12 2005 - 10:57:03 CDT
Hi,
You should work with Peter Fisher for the veto counter stuff. He's head of the veto working group, and hos e-mail is:
Ray Stefanski
Fermilab, MS122
P.O. Box 500
Batavia, Il 60510
Phone: 630.8403872
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans Jostlein <jostlein@fnal.gov>
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2005 8:56 am
Subject: Re: Braidwood Collaboration Meeting --additional discussion proposed
> Sounds good.
> I have some cartoons and info.
>
> I will try to make also a cartoon of surface buildings, with your
> input.
> In addition to the moving stuff,
> I have worked on a veto design concept for precast concrete and
> prop tubes,
> complete with layout and how to install it.
> It looks promising.
> I don't know where that presentation would fit.
> It would take about 15 minutes or less to go through.
> Any advice?
>
> Greetings
>
> Hans
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <stefanski@fnal.gov>
> To: "Hans Jostlein" <jostlein@fnal.gov>
> Cc: <shaevitz@fnal.gov>; "Ed Blucher" <blucher@hep.uchicago.edu>;
> <braidwood@hep.uchicago.edu>; <link@fnal.gov>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 5:11 PM
> Subject: Re: Braidwood Collaboration Meeting --additional discussion
> proposed
>
>
> > Hi Hans,
> >
> > I beleive the question of moving detectors is resolved. It's a
> centralpart of the R&D proposal, and will be a central feature of
> the experiment.
> >
> > Mike Shaevitz has proposaed that the near shaft be built first,
> so that
> the first two detectors can be calibrated while the far shaft is under
> construction. Detectors would be moved to the far shaft after
> calibration in
> the near shaft. So it will be important to move detectors right
> from the
> start.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >
> > Ray Stefanski
> > Fermilab, MS122
> > P.O. Box 500
> > Batavia, Il 60510
> > Phone: 630.8403872
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Hans Jostlein <jostlein@fnal.gov>
> > Date: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:51 pm
> > Subject: Re: Braidwood Collaboration Meeting --additional discussion
> proposed
> >
> > > Thanks for assembling an agenda, Ed.
> > >
> > > I would like to suggest that we have an explicit discussion about
> > > a very
> > > important, if not central, issue for Braidwood.
> > >
> > > The issue is
> > >
> > > "Do we believe in moving the detectors for cross calibration?"
> > >
> > > If we do believe in doing the side-by-side cross calibration, then
> > > a number
> > > of consequences are implied in that decision:
> > >
> > > a. We must cross calibrate every detector at the beginning
> and at
> > > the end
> > > of the run, as a minimum.
> > > (This does not mean every pair as in combinatorics).
> > >
> > > b. We must analyze and take full credit for the direct
> > > measurement of the
> > > detector acceptance.
> > > I expect a significantly lower systematic error to result
> from this
> > > study.
> > >
> > >
> > > If we endorse detector moving half-heartedly, as an
> "additional cross
> > > check",
> > > there will be consequences, too:
> > >
> > > a. We will not be able to claim much lower systematic errors
> > >
> > > b. We will do better than double Chooz only statistically,
> but not
> > > systematically
> > >
> > > c. It is not clear why anyone would think the experiment
> would be
> > > excitingand worthwhile to do at all.
> > >
> > > Sincerely
> > >
> > > Hans
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Ed Blucher" <blucher@hep.uchicago.edu>
> > > To: <braidwood@hep.uchicago.edu>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 1:03 PM
> > > Subject: Braidwood Collaboration Meeting
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Here is the agenda for this weekend's collaboration meeting.
> > > Several> speakers have not been confirmed -- please contact us if
> > > you are unable to
> > > > give a talk. As usual, we'll post talks on the Braidwood web
> > > site. It
> > > > would be helpful if you could email your talk to Ed before the
> > > meeting.> Thanks.
> > > >
> > > > We'll see you on Friday.
> > > >
> > > > Ed and Mike
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Braidwood Collaboration Meeting
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Video: dial 826763 at 384 kbs
> > > > Voice: 1-510-883-7860; at the prompt enter 826763 follwed by
> # sign
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Friday May 13, WH10NW
> > > > Software
> > > > 12:30-1:15 Software Status and Plans (T. Bolton)
> > > > MC status (M. Worcester)
> > > >
> > > > Baseline Issues:
> > > > 1:15-1:45pm Gd concentration (D. Hahn, J.Link)
> > > > 1:45-2:15 Movement system - method/costs/capability (H.
> Jostlein/Ray> > Stefanski)
> > > > 2:15-2:45 Underground area design (L. Bartozek)
> > > > 2:45-3:30 Break for Oddone talk
> > > > 3:30-4:00 Refined vessel design (V. Guarino)
> > > > 4:00-6:00 Veto system design (P. Fisher et al.)
> > > > - Improved description and estimates of backgrounds including
> > > vetosystem
> > > > - How veto system impacts backgrounds and systematics
> > > > - In-situ monitoring
> > > > 6:00-6:30 Surface building design (Hans Jostlein/Ray Stefanski)
> > > >
> > > > Saturday May 14, WH10NW
> > > > Baseline contd:
> > > > 8:45-9:00 Final depth and Bore hole information
> incorporation into
> > > baseline (J. Link)
> > > > 9:00-9:30 Updated underground muon rates (M. Hurwitz)
> > > >
> > > > Sensitivity issues:
> > > > 9:30-10:00 Improved sensitivity studies - Rate vs. Shape vs.
> > > systematics(M. Shaevitz)
> > > > 10:00-10:30 Justifications for acceptance and other systematics
> > > > -- Updated 2 vs. 3 zone studies: (E. Abouzaid)
> > > >
> > > > 10:30-10:45 Break
> > > >
> > > > Cross checks:
> > > > 10:45-11:15 Using isotope production from cosmic muons to
> > > measure fiducial
> > > mass
> > > > particularly measuring 9Li/8He and also supernova capability (S.
> > > Biller)> 11:15-11:45 Impact of detector movement as a cross-check
> > > (S. Biller)
> > > >
> > > > Backgrounds:
> > > > 11:45-12:15 Other background issues
> > > >
> > > > Lunch 12:15-1:00
> > > >
> > > > Elastic scattering measurement: (Janet)
> > > > 1:00-2:00
> > > > - Overview of status and memos
> > > > - Discussion of how to put forward to NuSAG
> > > > - New review committee plan
> > > >
> > > > Calibration:
> > > > 2:00-2:30 Introduction (J. Klein)
> > > > 2:30-3:00 Source movement system (E. Pod)
> > > > 3:00-3:30 Dissolved sources - (N. Jelley)
> > > >
> > > > 3:30-4:30 General Discussion
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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